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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague I saw what I

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believed to have been a UFO when I was

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12 years old that event clearly had a

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huge impact on me and how my life played

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out ever since and this got me thinking

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about a topic that I haven't covered yet

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on the show in that childhood UFO

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encounters we often ignore the small

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voices of children brushing their words

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off as pure imagination but when the

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eyes of hundreds of children witness a

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UFO at the same time it's hard to ignore

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that something is going on is it merely

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children making up stories

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a mass hysteria running through their

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impressionable minds or Arthur actually

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intelligences from other planets

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visiting these children to attempt

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communication when adults simply can't

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or won't listen today I speak with

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Michael Huntington about some of the

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most interesting and bizarre cases of

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children and UFOs stretching back almost

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a century and all across the world

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Michael is a paranormal travelled writer

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and UFO researcher living in Cape

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Girardeau Missouri each year he travels

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with his wife and two young boys to

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dozens of strange and interesting

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locations throughout America chronicling

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their adventures in blog form known as

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strange travels michael has researched

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the UFO mystery for over 40 years and

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frequently writes on issues related to

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the reform of ufology and improving

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rational methodology he has been

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interviewed on television and numerous

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radio programs discussing a variety of

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paranormal topics his family's unusual

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travels and the enigmatic UFO subject so

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without further ado here's my

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conversation with Michael Huntington

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there is a topic within the UFO subset

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that I've wanted to cover for a while

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now and I couldn't think of a better

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person to bring on to sort of hash this

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out with me we're gonna overview some of

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the most famous

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called UFO cases in UFO history like I

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said this is a subset of sightings that

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often gets overlooked and now what I

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find as I'm sure you do Michael is that

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children usually are honest you know

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they're innocent by standards when it

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comes to this topic so again usually

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you're getting this unfettered sort of

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uncensored account when children have

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the UFO sighting or encounter and those

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encounters are often very dramatic and

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what I didn't know personally is that

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there are many more cases that I first

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thought could be lumped into this

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category there's so many of them out

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there so I'd love to go through a bunch

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of those today my guest is Michael

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Huntington Michael thank you so much for

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joining me today man oh it's a it's

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always great to talk to you and yeah I'm

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not looking forward to discussing these

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cases they're definitely interesting and

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I think it might surprise people with

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the what we came up with here I think so

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like we'd been talking about earlier

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there's a lot of literature and

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documentaries that are gonna be coming

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out soon about this very topic of

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children in UFOs and why so many kids

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have seen UFOs throughout the years so I

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think it's very appropriate that we kind

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of run through this and you know get

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that out there so people can look into

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it before all of this really stunning

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revelations and documentation of these

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come out so again thank you I guess we

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sort of have to start really early on

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and one of the first cases that you and

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I came across was the the 1917 Fatima

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sighting in Portugal

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you know while many believe this to be a

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religious experience the actual accounts

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were very similar to a UFO sighting if

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I'm not mistaken so maybe you could sort

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of run us through this and get us

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started on child encounters with UFOs

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yeah definitely and before we jump into

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this I would want to say that you're

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absolutely right this is giving the

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surface of these types of encounters and

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we're gonna try to focus on you know

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some of the better documented ones the

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ones with a lot of witnesses but there

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are certainly hundreds if not thousands

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of other cases out there just involving

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young children and really a gift

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place to start would be a hundred years

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ago in Fatima and you're right we people

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look at this story

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this account it's definitely viewed as a

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religious miracle and it can certainly

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be viewed through that angle in fact all

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the participants of muted through you

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know a rural hesitant Catholic view

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point when they tried to interpret what

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was an unusual series of events

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involving lights in the sky and people

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coming down from the lights and giving

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messages which you know even if you

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separate the religious aspect that you

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at least have on some level if there was

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indeed an incident you know pretty much

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a classic encounter in 1917 what this

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began around was three children and they

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were uh peasant cheeseburgers they were

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run like seven or eight years of age and

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you know they were looking after their

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their flock and they had a series of

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lights coming down from the sky and

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glowing beings which they viewed as

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angels and the Virgin Mary came out and

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gave messages and there was a I think

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five events that took place over over

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the course of that year and it became

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engulfed you know by the the local

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Catholics in the area as a miracle and

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towards the latter parts of these

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encounters there were possibly tens of

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thousands of witnesses to you know

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strange happenings in the sky now talk

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about a mass sight oh yes I think some

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numbers for I think the the October 13th

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encounter which was called the miracle

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of the Sun had somewhere seventy

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thousand witnesses Wow

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whether or not we could attribute this

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to some sort of religious mass hysteria

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coupled with you know some sort of

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atmospheric phenomenon you know that

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that's that's sort of separate from you

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know the issue as to whether or not

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something happened you know and there's

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a lot to suggest that there was least at

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the outset with the

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children some sort of some sort of

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physical event some sort of actual you

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know glowing craft you know with

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lightnings shooting out of it you know

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we get a lot of the elements here that

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went on into some of the contactee

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stories you know these children ended up

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becoming a Saints they're they're on

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their way to be become a saint you know

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they ended up going into the clergy

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because of this this miracle and they

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had revelations that they got from these

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an Angels relative to you know a lot of

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the contactee messages of you know let's

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end war let's you know work together you

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know sort of the utopian vision of of

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what earth should be so it's uh yeah

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it's really an intriguing case and it's

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a good kickoff to looking at cases that

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involve kids because they definitely

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have had their impact and this is a good

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one to start with I think so you know

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and children are so susceptible at first

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you know when these kids clearly were

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raised pretty religious I would assume

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at this time that they would perceive

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this as a miracle that this was the

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Fatima and I think that's pretty

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interesting we do hear this a lot that

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people who have UFO sightings a lot of

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them consider it a religious experience

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and I'm sure some of the other cases

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involved that as well that we'll go

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through but yeah let's fast-forward

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Michael to uh what do we got next we've

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got 1952 now this is a case that I

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covered on a patreon bonus episode of

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somewhere in the skies and that's the

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flatwoods monster by far one of the most

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incredible cases out there one of my

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favorites and it's pretty well known in

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West Virginia you know where this

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happened but too many monster and UFO

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Hunters it's basically it involved both

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of these things so you got to tell us a

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little bit more about what you know

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about the flatwoods monster Michael yeah

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the the flatwoods monsters is one of my

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favorite cases because it's it's just a

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weird you know it's it's got it's got

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ten foot tall creatures and then weird

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weird saucers and you know government

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men coming into you know punish

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everybody up so it's got all those sort

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of but you know classic elements that

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you would find in any sort of science

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fiction film but flat

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when it happened you know in 19

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September 12 1952 that the time period

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of the 50s was starting to you know get

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that science fiction element you know

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influence within the with within the

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culture you know you were starting to

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get a lot of book sort of science

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fiction ideas there in the culture and

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so when this story came out it was

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definitely picked up by the media and

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you know 52 you know that period

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everybody was saucer crazy and and this

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story became one of the most famous ones

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of its time because it was all over the

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media and you know a blue book looked

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into it and pretty much all the author

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researchers of the of the time period

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had opinions on this case and what it

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around sunset kids will do that until

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you know their parents yell at him to

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come home and there were some kids

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playing in the school's football field

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and they witness an object like some

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sort of fireball or

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reddish ball of fly overhead at it and

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go into into some of the nearby fields

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you know so as any group of kids that

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would witness something like that you

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know you're gonna start running going

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towards it you know at least the braver

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kids sure there's surely some kids that

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said oh no time to go home that would be

283
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me not gonna lie right but some of them

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did venture up towards where this object

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presumably came down and collected a

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couple other kids along the way maybe

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and and and got an adult with them but

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yeah I think it was a Edward and Freddie

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Mae and then Tommy higher and Neil

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Nunley and Ronny shaver in Eugene lemon

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along with Kathleen Mae who was the one

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adult they all ventured climbed over a

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fence and went into the the Bailey

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Fisher farm where this object or they

295
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thought it went down so you know it's

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starting to get dark they're growing up

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here in the dark there's a group of them

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they're all kind of excited and they're

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moving up towards what they perceive to

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be an object you know I'm sort of maybe

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car or truck sized object

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kind of a orange reddish pear you know

303
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smoke coming off of it stirred of

304
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hissing you know Flying Saucer meteor

305
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who knows though they they're all kind

306
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of frightened they notice they can't

307
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smelled weird like you know some sort of

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diesel fuel or some sort of chemicals

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now there's sort of a weird mist all

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around you know yeah they ventured

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closer to try to get a better view and

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as they approached they saw a creature

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about ten feet tall with big yellowish

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eyes and a big red circular head and

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some sort of a big you know apparatus

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around its head you know possibly some

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sort of helmet or whatever and you know

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some a long metallic skirt and little

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you know spindly hands and they were

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stopped dead in their tracks and ran

321
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away flew back home and you know did

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what normal people would do they would

323
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you know call the police and and you

324
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know from there you get your lights you

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know typical response of course

326
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nothing's gonna be there when you get

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there you know maybe a little bit of

328
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weird you know slime on the ground maybe

329
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a little bit of mist leftover sort of a

330
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weird smell but you know nothing was

331
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there when the police investigated and

332
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as with these cases at the time I am you

333
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know the the local military do take

334
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interest you know yeah National Guard's

335
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and I'm out there looking to see if you

336
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know if there's anything out there that

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they need to be concerned of concerned

338
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with and you know there was there was

339
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nothing so ultimately you know due to

340
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the lack of evidence you know the

341
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government or I don't know maybe there

342
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was evidence maybe it was covered up who

343
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knows but you know it sort of it has

344
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been labeled as you know a meteor event

345
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you know that a meteor came down

346
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although I would think that there would

347
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still be a meteor yeah there you know so

348
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that that that doesn't kind of you know

349
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really wash what what happened there who

350
00:15:07,130 --> 00:15:03,120
knows maybe some sort of uh you know

351
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actual geological event maybe some sort

352
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of craft maybe some sort of

353
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hallucination connected with you know

354
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that gasps who knows but it's definitely

355
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an interesting case maybe

356
00:15:18,530 --> 00:15:17,910
kids are more open to see this sort of

357
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thing

358
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maybe although the the one adult that

359
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was with them was certain that she saw

360
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the same thing so it's one of the best

361
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mysteries one of the best mystery solver

362
00:15:31,550 --> 00:15:29,490
yeah and I mean even up until today

363
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people still celebrate this encounter

364
00:15:35,900 --> 00:15:33,690
there I mean you've got like a flatwoods

365
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festival every year and that's another

366
00:15:39,770 --> 00:15:38,160
interesting thing is how towns embraced

367
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these things I know you and I have

368
00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:41,700
talked about this in the past is when

369
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these things happen they ultimately

370
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become the history of these towns and

371
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sometimes the only history of these

372
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towns that ever make it out to the

373
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mainstream yeah and flatwood flat ones

374
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is one of those stories that sort of

375
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absent flows with you know the culture

376
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and you know how it's perceived

377
00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:01,530
definitely I think people will find even

378
00:16:08,210 --> 00:16:04,560
more interest here our friend set

379
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Breedlove's doing a flatwoods movie so

380
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you know when his documentary is I think

381
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that'll that'll add a lot of more

382
00:16:18,980 --> 00:16:16,260
interest into into this intriguing case

383
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which still remains a mystery up until

384
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this day well I mean the next one we're

385
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gonna cover man this is gonna bring us

386
00:16:27,710 --> 00:16:24,900
way across the ocean and it's perhaps

387
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one of the first school sightings that

388
00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:29,040
involved a mass sighting and this

389
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happened in Melbourne Australia in 1966

390
00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:34,410
so can you tell us a little bit about

391
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the Westall encounter

392
00:16:43,010 --> 00:16:39,930
yeah the West Hall encounter is is

393
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probably would be more it not be most

394
00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:47,790
famous mass school encounter sides-- and

395
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it is pretty much the template for you

396
00:16:56,210 --> 00:16:53,220
know for a lot of these a lot of these

397
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types of encounters yeah there's there's

398
00:17:02,300 --> 00:16:58,410
so much that's been done on this on this

399
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subject and it stands them as the best

400
00:17:06,050 --> 00:17:04,020
because there's so many witnesses that

401
00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:06,060
have come forward others there's been a

402
00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:08,010
lot of great solid research you know

403
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:10,740
teen Ryan down there is pretty much you

404
00:17:14,569 --> 00:17:12,720
know continue to work this story and and

405
00:17:18,050 --> 00:17:14,579
you know he's probably the best guy to

406
00:17:20,210 --> 00:17:18,060
talk to you on this subject because you

407
00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:20,220
know there was definitely something

408
00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:22,770
there on that day I stood there

409
00:17:25,790 --> 00:17:24,690
absolutely transfixed and saw the most

410
00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:25,800
amazing thing

411
00:17:30,050 --> 00:17:28,770
and it took a while for me to sort of

412
00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:30,060
comprehend where I was actually looking

413
00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:32,250
at because I'd never seen anything like

414
00:17:40,820 --> 00:17:35,610
that before them it was three the one

415
00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:40,830
that was closer was just in the sky just

416
00:17:46,940 --> 00:17:44,400
sitting there and then it went down came

417
00:17:50,690 --> 00:17:46,950
up and then banked on its side and took

418
00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:50,700
off really really fast it was moving

419
00:17:57,290 --> 00:17:54,090
away sorry to lift it off with the oval

420
00:17:59,420 --> 00:17:57,300
okay and it was moving away from us and

421
00:18:01,400 --> 00:17:59,430
we just were gobsmacked started chasing

422
00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:01,410
it and my girlfriend and I sat on the

423
00:18:05,090 --> 00:18:03,810
fence climbed up the fence and just sat

424
00:18:07,610 --> 00:18:05,100
there and cried we thought it was the

425
00:18:09,470 --> 00:18:07,620
end of the world I came down into the

426
00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:09,480
paddock where the kids had seen this

427
00:18:15,260 --> 00:18:12,480
thing land the paddock grass was about

428
00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:15,270
knee high and as I walk through with

429
00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:18,450
pushing my bike with my uncle I saw a

430
00:18:22,850 --> 00:18:21,120
group of about 20 people all huddled

431
00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:22,860
around looking at the ground looking at

432
00:18:28,820 --> 00:18:26,970
at a circle perfect circle was probably

433
00:18:31,310 --> 00:18:28,830
about four or five meters in diameter

434
00:18:33,380 --> 00:18:31,320
each of the circle was perfectly formed

435
00:18:35,570 --> 00:18:33,390
it wasn't as if you could you know cows

436
00:18:37,340 --> 00:18:35,580
or any other animals or even the kids

437
00:18:39,020 --> 00:18:37,350
had come in and just rolled around it

438
00:18:43,610 --> 00:18:39,030
was too perfect I mean I know what I

439
00:18:46,220 --> 00:18:43,620
thought and in fact I don't expect them

440
00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:46,230
to believe me because when it happened I

441
00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:50,130
didn't believe what I was seeing because

442
00:18:55,060 --> 00:18:52,080
it wasn't possible what I was feeling

443
00:18:58,880 --> 00:18:55,070
wasn't possible and it was in April 6 in

444
00:19:02,180 --> 00:18:58,890
1966 and there were some there were some

445
00:19:04,540 --> 00:19:02,190
kids that were outside presumably for I

446
00:19:09,050 --> 00:19:04,550
guess for recess or maybe a field day

447
00:19:12,260 --> 00:19:09,060
and they witnessed a couple of flying

448
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:12,270
saucers you know your your classic

449
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:17,730
silvery - disc objects you know flying

450
00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:22,050
over their school and as any large group

451
00:19:26,930 --> 00:19:23,730
of children and what do they became

452
00:19:31,310 --> 00:19:26,940
excited and you know screamed and yelled

453
00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:31,320
and there were hundreds of witnesses to

454
00:19:37,370 --> 00:19:33,120
this pretty much I guess the whole

455
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:37,380
school soon learned of the objects

456
00:19:40,620 --> 00:19:38,530
outside and

457
00:19:43,530 --> 00:19:40,630
everybody pretty much left their

458
00:19:45,780 --> 00:19:43,540
classrooms to run outside and and run

459
00:19:49,260 --> 00:19:45,790
towards the objects which you know it

460
00:19:51,810 --> 00:19:49,270
phone overhead I guess the airplanes

461
00:19:56,100 --> 00:19:51,820
surrounding a couple of these objects at

462
00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:56,110
some point some sort of a single-engine

463
00:20:01,410 --> 00:19:58,330
prop they may be like a Cessna or Piper

464
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:01,420
or something more than likely a civilian

465
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:05,890
type craft and some of the kids noticed

466
00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:08,290
I guess that at least one of the objects

467
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:10,110
or some of the objects went behind

468
00:20:17,220 --> 00:20:15,090
towards a wooded area called The Grange

469
00:20:20,670 --> 00:20:17,230
adjacent to the school property you know

470
00:20:22,860 --> 00:20:20,680
there was a kind of an unused field area

471
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where a lot of the kids head hung out

472
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some of the children had reported that

473
00:20:31,950 --> 00:20:30,610
something had landed out there there

474
00:20:36,300 --> 00:20:31,960
were so many different reports like that

475
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:36,310
that it sort of makes this event uh you

476
00:20:41,130 --> 00:20:39,850
know uncontroverted well as to whether

477
00:20:45,090 --> 00:20:41,140
or not something happens something

478
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:45,100
certainly happened you know to have so

479
00:20:49,950 --> 00:20:46,570
many witnesses whether it was you know a

480
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:49,960
military a sort of thing you know it's

481
00:20:54,350 --> 00:20:52,090
interesting that so much has been

482
00:20:56,700 --> 00:20:54,360
covered up I mean you know a lot of the

483
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:56,710
you know the news stories and reports

484
00:21:00,900 --> 00:20:58,480
just sort of disappeared and although

485
00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:00,910
the paperwork even though they were

486
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:04,270
definitely on location for that you got

487
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:06,400
with in the following days you know that

488
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:09,850
it's is it Stefan the intriguing it's a

489
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:12,480
it's more so than any of the other

490
00:21:19,890 --> 00:21:17,650
experienced encounters it has you know

491
00:21:21,810 --> 00:21:19,900
sort of the conspiracy aspect to the

492
00:21:24,570 --> 00:21:21,820
cover-up element more so than any either

493
00:21:26,700 --> 00:21:24,580
yeah yeah I would have to agree I mean

494
00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:26,710
well in terms of the the actual

495
00:21:31,260 --> 00:21:29,110
encounter Michael we had another one

496
00:21:32,970 --> 00:21:31,270
that happened that same year this is

497
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:32,980
back in the United States in Miami

498
00:21:35,970 --> 00:21:33,850
Florida

499
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:35,980
this is an opa-locka sighting could you

500
00:21:40,770 --> 00:21:37,600
tell us a little bit about this one I

501
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:40,780
could tell you in short that at the

502
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:42,880
Crestview school in opa-locka Florida

503
00:21:48,930 --> 00:21:46,720
April's April 7th 1967 just you know the

504
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:48,940
following year after Westall pretty much

505
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:51,010
almost the exact same thing that had

506
00:21:58,500 --> 00:21:51,490
happened

507
00:22:01,440 --> 00:21:58,510
some to some degree yeah you know if it

508
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:01,450
may have lasted a actually a series of

509
00:22:08,250 --> 00:22:06,400
days but the same sort of instance as

510
00:22:11,490 --> 00:22:08,260
with West all you know a group of kids

511
00:22:13,919 --> 00:22:11,500
about an object you know the rest

512
00:22:18,180 --> 00:22:13,929
towards the object and and teachers and

513
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:18,190
large groups of kids again in the

514
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:20,080
hundreds here just as there was in West

515
00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:23,290
all along with teachers you know witness

516
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:27,190
an object just beyond a the perimeter of

517
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:30,490
the school in sort of a wet swampy field

518
00:22:35,850 --> 00:22:33,010
area they witness an object or maybe

519
00:22:38,669 --> 00:22:35,860
even multiple objects sort of a flying

520
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,679
around in the distance that you get

521
00:22:44,220 --> 00:22:40,480
through the air you know through it

522
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,230
throughout the trees and who knows it's

523
00:22:48,990 --> 00:22:46,960
a it's it's very similar to a stall

524
00:22:53,790 --> 00:22:49,000
which which is it really makes it

525
00:22:56,090 --> 00:22:53,800
intriguing and and and it became a it

526
00:22:58,740 --> 00:22:56,100
became a big story for its time period

527
00:23:01,500 --> 00:22:58,750
probably because of the National

528
00:23:03,330 --> 00:23:01,510
Inquirer which was literally based down

529
00:23:07,380 --> 00:23:03,340
the street from you know where the

530
00:23:10,020 --> 00:23:07,390
school was in Lantana Florida so you

531
00:23:12,900 --> 00:23:10,030
know they definitely pushed the media on

532
00:23:16,140 --> 00:23:12,910
this and it was pushed at that time

533
00:23:20,430 --> 00:23:16,150
period it became a national story but it

534
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:20,440
sort of died down when the the Navy the

535
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:23,200
Coast Guard actually as well as the Navy

536
00:23:29,780 --> 00:23:26,080
and NASA and some of the other nearby

537
00:23:32,970 --> 00:23:29,790
facilities initially pushed it off as

538
00:23:36,660 --> 00:23:32,980
helicopters doing maneuvers and then

539
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:36,670
followed by the flares and you know now

540
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:38,530
that's sort of outraged a lot of the

541
00:23:43,169 --> 00:23:39,970
witnesses in the community because by

542
00:23:44,910 --> 00:23:43,179
that time you know within a few days of

543
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:44,920
the the school event other people had

544
00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:47,010
seen other objects throughout that area

545
00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:49,809
so that's sort of you know infuriated

546
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:51,910
the townspeople you know when those

547
00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:55,330
explanations came forth and the Navy

548
00:24:01,740 --> 00:23:58,330
even did a demonstrative flare drop to

549
00:24:04,980 --> 00:24:01,750
try to show that what the people that

550
00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:04,990
seen was was flares very similar to

551
00:24:08,190 --> 00:24:06,910
you know what would be tried later in

552
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,200
Phoenix yeah

553
00:24:12,330 --> 00:24:10,720
Phoenix lights yeah yeah so you know

554
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:12,340
this is maybe one of the first instances

555
00:24:18,750 --> 00:24:15,610
where you know flares were dropped to

556
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:18,760
dissuade you know UFO sightings it's

557
00:24:24,330 --> 00:24:22,000
quite possible but you have to wonder

558
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:24,340
you know with all of these mass

559
00:24:28,620 --> 00:24:26,110
sightings happening how many weather

560
00:24:30,419 --> 00:24:28,630
balloons and flares do the military have

561
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:30,429
in stock ready to go and these things

562
00:24:35,250 --> 00:24:32,650
happen you just you do have to wonder

563
00:24:37,290 --> 00:24:35,260
yeah and and these people you know in

564
00:24:39,090 --> 00:24:37,300
these communities is that so much that

565
00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:39,100
they were reminding you know being

566
00:24:42,990 --> 00:24:40,809
called liar just which I'm sure they

567
00:24:44,850 --> 00:24:43,000
didn't appreciate but they live next to

568
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:44,860
military installations that they're not

569
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:47,410
stupid you know was I think they were

570
00:24:51,630 --> 00:24:50,050
more offended but at that you know we

571
00:24:53,549 --> 00:24:51,640
know what a help you know we know what a

572
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:53,559
Coast Guard helicopter looks like you

573
00:24:58,740 --> 00:24:57,010
know right so similar similar sort of

574
00:25:02,220 --> 00:24:58,750
thing and in Gulf Breeze and some of

575
00:25:04,260 --> 00:25:02,230
these other you know military aviation

576
00:25:06,690 --> 00:25:04,270
communities you know mundane

577
00:25:08,460 --> 00:25:06,700
explanations for what these witnesses

578
00:25:11,010 --> 00:25:08,470
are seeing it just you know really

579
00:25:14,190 --> 00:25:11,020
doesn't hold water yeah it's pretty

580
00:25:17,490 --> 00:25:14,200
offensive vivvy I asked me well the next

581
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,500
one that we we decided to cover Michael

582
00:25:22,830 --> 00:25:19,600
was the one in Connecticut now this was

583
00:25:25,290 --> 00:25:22,840
at Camp Delaware and this brings us up a

584
00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:25,300
mountain with some young hikers so we're

585
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:26,710
moving away from schools were moving

586
00:25:31,710 --> 00:25:29,050
into the woods so could you tell us a

587
00:25:34,380 --> 00:25:31,720
little bit about this 1976 sighting I

588
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,390
really found this one interesting yeah

589
00:25:40,020 --> 00:25:36,880
even within you know child encounter

590
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,030
cases there's the sort of this you know

591
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:43,360
Boy Scout in the woods sort of encounter

592
00:25:48,210 --> 00:25:46,480
idea that has been demonstrated

593
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:48,220
throughout you know the history of the

594
00:25:53,910 --> 00:25:51,730
subject you know even back in 52 with

595
00:25:57,060 --> 00:25:53,920
the famous Florida Scoutmaster you know

596
00:25:58,890 --> 00:25:57,070
were you know a Scoutmaster and his his

597
00:26:01,049 --> 00:25:58,900
little group you know see something in

598
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:01,059
the you know in the forest and and you

599
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:02,559
know the Scoutmaster gets burnt or

600
00:26:06,810 --> 00:26:04,570
whatever you know that that sort of

601
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:06,820
story was around even in the in the

602
00:26:12,930 --> 00:26:09,970
early 50s and camp Delaware is a very

603
00:26:16,899 --> 00:26:12,940
similar sort of account along this along

604
00:26:20,499 --> 00:26:16,909
this line it was a group of hikers they

605
00:26:23,409 --> 00:26:20,509
I guess probably like 14 or 15 of the 14

606
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:23,419
and then the their their hike master

607
00:26:31,419 --> 00:26:27,490
there were teenagers 14 15 years of age

608
00:26:35,230 --> 00:26:31,429
and they were hiking near Camp Delaware

609
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:35,240
in Winston Connecticut in 1976 this was

610
00:26:41,019 --> 00:26:38,450
July 28th they were part of a camp

611
00:26:43,389 --> 00:26:41,029
program and they were high peak hiking

612
00:26:46,269 --> 00:26:43,399
towards a Blueberry Hill which was a

613
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:46,279
nearby feature a pretty decent hike and

614
00:26:54,159 --> 00:26:50,960
as they neared a an area with a bit of a

615
00:26:56,919 --> 00:26:54,169
clearing they could see an object come

616
00:26:59,769 --> 00:26:56,929
down that was a a saucer with a red dome

617
00:27:01,629 --> 00:26:59,779
as it was described and of course they

618
00:27:05,169 --> 00:27:01,639
all stopped in their tracks and you know

619
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:05,179
they pointed and I don't know if anybody

620
00:27:10,299 --> 00:27:07,129
took any pictures I haven't heard of any

621
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,309
pictures of being taken but supposedly

622
00:27:15,789 --> 00:27:12,080
the object it had you know dipped down

623
00:27:19,690 --> 00:27:15,799
and it landed possibly behind uh you

624
00:27:22,269 --> 00:27:19,700
know some trees and the kids you know

625
00:27:25,769 --> 00:27:22,279
they ran back they went to the police

626
00:27:29,259 --> 00:27:25,779
and it was investigated and it was

627
00:27:31,330 --> 00:27:29,269
investigated as credible not just

628
00:27:33,539 --> 00:27:31,340
because the the councilor saw it just

629
00:27:36,220 --> 00:27:33,549
maybe maybe from the fact that they were

630
00:27:38,889 --> 00:27:36,230
you know they were Scouts and he said

631
00:27:41,470 --> 00:27:38,899
these kids were you know not the sort

632
00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:41,480
that are gonna lie together you know to

633
00:27:44,590 --> 00:27:42,169
the police

634
00:27:47,259 --> 00:27:44,600
so you know they they they got a lot of

635
00:27:49,180 --> 00:27:47,269
credibility just from the fact that you

636
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:49,190
know they were I guess sort of model

637
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,490
citizens for that time period but it

638
00:27:56,590 --> 00:27:54,799
became a case that was investigated by a

639
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:56,600
pro the aerial phenomena research

640
00:28:02,169 --> 00:27:58,970
organization which was one of the

641
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:02,179
leading groups in the 60s in the in the

642
00:28:06,970 --> 00:28:05,090
70s and they did a thorough

643
00:28:08,590 --> 00:28:06,980
investigation they investigated the area

644
00:28:11,470 --> 00:28:08,600
there was there were no trace evidence

645
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:11,480
found but from the veracity of the

646
00:28:16,690 --> 00:28:13,970
witnesses and and these are teenagers

647
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,700
these are you know older than you know

648
00:28:20,379 --> 00:28:18,799
some of these other accounts were you

649
00:28:23,169 --> 00:28:20,389
know the kids have been around you know

650
00:28:25,419 --> 00:28:23,179
10 or even younger when you get to

651
00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:25,429
teenagers the the credibility you know

652
00:28:30,450 --> 00:28:27,769
goes up a little bit especially if

653
00:28:33,070 --> 00:28:30,460
there's an adult involved because

654
00:28:35,169 --> 00:28:33,080
less likelihood of some sort of you know

655
00:28:38,289 --> 00:28:35,179
practical joke not that those don't

656
00:28:39,940 --> 00:28:38,299
occur but this case camp Delaware case

657
00:28:42,130 --> 00:28:39,950
was considered one of the one of the

658
00:28:43,690 --> 00:28:42,140
better cases of the year and I mean you

659
00:28:46,029 --> 00:28:43,700
have to wonder what kind of badge they

660
00:28:47,710 --> 00:28:46,039
have for UFO hunting for these poisonous

661
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:47,720
I think they definitely would have

662
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:49,910
gotten that one wow that's really

663
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:51,289
interesting and you bring up some good

664
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:53,360
points like these kids wouldn't why

665
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:54,710
would they make this up

666
00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:57,410
you know you learned so many good things

667
00:29:01,299 --> 00:28:58,970
when you're going through the boy scout

668
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:01,309
you know the thing I did that growing up

669
00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:03,049
as well and they they teach you to be

670
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,929
honest so to have made this up I don't

671
00:29:10,570 --> 00:29:08,000
see it happening and to have an adult

672
00:29:13,450 --> 00:29:10,580
witness this as well they definitely saw

673
00:29:16,450 --> 00:29:13,460
something so that's interesting well

674
00:29:18,909 --> 00:29:16,460
let's move across the pond this time

675
00:29:20,980 --> 00:29:18,919
Michael and we're going to broad Haven

676
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:20,990
this is in Wales same year nineteen

677
00:29:26,350 --> 00:29:24,530
sixties me a year later in 1977 and this

678
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:26,360
is one of the more dramatic encounters

679
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,850
that bore a striking resemblance to

680
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:30,559
another case that we're going to talk

681
00:29:34,899 --> 00:29:33,110
about shortly one of the most famous so

682
00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:34,909
could you tell us a little about this

683
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:37,929
case out of Wales yeah Broad Haven

684
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:41,840
February 4th 1977 it was the the Broad

685
00:29:46,690 --> 00:29:44,450
Haven school I guess I was in the the

686
00:29:49,390 --> 00:29:46,700
morning or I'm trying to think of what

687
00:29:52,330 --> 00:29:49,400
time of the day it was but same sort of

688
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:52,340
deal with a lot of these other cases the

689
00:29:57,580 --> 00:29:54,650
the kids notice out through the window

690
00:30:00,399 --> 00:29:57,590
something or there on the playground and

691
00:30:03,370 --> 00:30:00,409
they've noticed something and they all

692
00:30:06,850 --> 00:30:03,380
sort of as a group you know sort of

693
00:30:09,549 --> 00:30:06,860
vacate that what they're there to do you

694
00:30:11,529 --> 00:30:09,559
know that day to run outside and witness

695
00:30:13,899 --> 00:30:11,539
you know what they think is a flying

696
00:30:17,169 --> 00:30:13,909
saucer landing in a field nearby the

697
00:30:21,610 --> 00:30:17,179
school and the same thing happened here

698
00:30:23,950 --> 00:30:21,620
to to a class full of kids in this small

699
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:23,960
Welsh town kids were around age of 10

700
00:30:29,980 --> 00:30:27,200
and they witnessed some sort of like a

701
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,990
silvery object with like a red light I

702
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:31,760
don't know if it was intermittent over

703
00:30:37,539 --> 00:30:35,690
or if it was solid but they definitely

704
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:37,549
perceived you know saw the red light

705
00:30:42,139 --> 00:30:39,710
that's what got their attention and they

706
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:42,149
witness at this object go

707
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:45,360
you know nearby where the school is so

708
00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:47,279
you know wanting to get a closer look

709
00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:50,340
they do and they they see an object and

710
00:30:56,419 --> 00:30:53,220
they see nearby I guess with some sort

711
00:30:58,850 --> 00:30:56,429
of so furry being of some kind some sort

712
00:31:02,120 --> 00:30:58,860
of a robot or creature or whatever yeah

713
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:02,130
it's not like definitely weird when kids

714
00:31:07,639 --> 00:31:04,769
start seeing robots that's that's really

715
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:07,649
when it starts to get interesting

716
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:10,289
you know because it always seems to be

717
00:31:15,409 --> 00:31:12,059
the children well not always

718
00:31:17,060 --> 00:31:15,419
yeah it but the the kids that definitely

719
00:31:21,259 --> 00:31:17,070
I think are more prone to see robotic

720
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:21,269
type beings which I don't know what that

721
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:23,370
means you know maybe there's some sort

722
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,049
of psychological component you know

723
00:31:28,850 --> 00:31:26,880
related to the children how they're

724
00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:28,860
perceiving and the phenomena or maybe

725
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:30,899
you know there was just coincidentally

726
00:31:36,259 --> 00:31:32,610
some sort of robotic creature out there

727
00:31:38,180 --> 00:31:36,269
but yeah this this area in Wales this

728
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:38,190
account has sort of become a big deal

729
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,250
there's a whole area near broad haven

730
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:43,440
that it's been called the broad haven

731
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:47,130
the triangle now because so much happens

732
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:50,010
within that area related to you know

733
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,529
strange phenomena

734
00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:54,960
especially aerial phenomena so you know

735
00:32:01,090 --> 00:31:57,419
forty years on this this case is still

736
00:32:04,820 --> 00:32:01,100
is still looked at as an important case

737
00:32:06,980 --> 00:32:04,830
within British geology and it's still

738
00:32:09,139 --> 00:32:06,990
celebrated and they're still strange

739
00:32:10,850 --> 00:32:09,149
things going on at we're really event

740
00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:10,860
near the school happened now some people

741
00:32:15,649 --> 00:32:13,080
have come forward saying that it might

742
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:15,659
have been a hoax not on behalf of the

743
00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:18,720
kids but you know maybe a practical joke

744
00:32:25,129 --> 00:32:21,960
or a prank being conducted upon the kids

745
00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:25,139
by somebody else you know but I don't

746
00:32:30,049 --> 00:32:27,000
know that's a lot of work you know it's

747
00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:30,059
a build a flying saucer and you know not

748
00:32:34,970 --> 00:32:32,760
that it can't be done but I'd imagine

749
00:32:37,879 --> 00:32:34,980
that people have better things to do

750
00:32:39,980 --> 00:32:37,889
with their time you know and we would

751
00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:39,990
have heard a little bit more about such

752
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:43,980
a hoax after 40 years you know so still

753
00:32:49,129 --> 00:32:46,710
an interesting case yes we do know that

754
00:32:51,649 --> 00:32:49,139
when the British hoax something they

755
00:32:54,860 --> 00:32:51,659
definitely wanted to be known hence crop

756
00:32:58,730 --> 00:32:54,870
circles I won't go any further

757
00:33:01,790 --> 00:32:58,740
yeah yeah well here's another one

758
00:33:04,940 --> 00:33:01,800
Michael now this happened in 1977 this

759
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:04,950
time in West Pittsburg California this

760
00:33:10,220 --> 00:33:07,170
is one of the most interesting because J

761
00:33:12,860 --> 00:33:10,230
Alan Hynek the man the myth the legend

762
00:33:15,380 --> 00:33:12,870
he actually considered this one one of

763
00:33:18,020 --> 00:33:15,390
only three credible humanoid encounter

764
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:18,030
cases in that year so could you tell us

765
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:20,220
a little bit about this case out of my

766
00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:22,410
new neck of the woods California yeah

767
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:25,350
this is this is definitely a case that I

768
00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:26,910
think people should go back and take a

769
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:29,910
look at it it is a Center for UFO

770
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:32,640
studies case primarily so you know you

771
00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:35,310
start off with a lot of good credit

772
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:37,590
credible people involved in this case

773
00:33:43,540 --> 00:33:41,370
Richard Haines harder a high-neck you

774
00:33:47,150 --> 00:33:43,550
know all these guys were involved in

775
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,160
some sort of investigatory aspect with

776
00:33:52,220 --> 00:33:49,440
this case so what happened

777
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:52,230
may 20th 1977 West Pittsburg California

778
00:33:59,240 --> 00:33:56,730
this is a case of three boys wanting to

779
00:34:01,790 --> 00:33:59,250
you know enjoy some of the rural area I

780
00:34:04,660 --> 00:34:01,800
guess nearby them think they're actually

781
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:04,670
looking to be you know just spend a day

782
00:34:09,110 --> 00:34:07,170
exploring hanging out maybe go to the

783
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:09,120
beach they weren't really you know sure

784
00:34:13,700 --> 00:34:10,770
what they wanted to do but they were

785
00:34:17,060 --> 00:34:13,710
enjoying the outdoors and it was Lenny

786
00:34:20,390 --> 00:34:17,070
young George Ferrera and Patrick

787
00:34:22,610 --> 00:34:20,400
Morrison and as they were hiking through

788
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:22,620
the woods getting ready to hitchhike I

789
00:34:28,370 --> 00:34:25,290
think they were at one point they they

790
00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:28,380
encountered a an object in the road sort

791
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:30,600
of a flattish saucer maybe kind of a

792
00:34:37,070 --> 00:34:34,740
bluish tint to it it looked like a you

793
00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:37,080
know your classic sort of flying saucer

794
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:38,520
but it was you know maybe a little

795
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:41,520
squatter it really gets strange soon

796
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,210
after they noticed that there's you know

797
00:34:50,060 --> 00:34:47,040
some sort of bees coming out of this

798
00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:50,070
craft they were sort of shadowy they

799
00:34:55,340 --> 00:34:53,250
were you know sort of robotic there were

800
00:34:58,010 --> 00:34:55,350
kind of nondescript they were kind of

801
00:35:00,770 --> 00:34:58,020
difficult to describe but the boys all

802
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:00,780
definitely claim to have seen these

803
00:35:05,070 --> 00:35:04,320
beings and that they were you know sort

804
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:05,080
of

805
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:09,250
smoky and ethereal you know yet robotic

806
00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:11,890
there was a lot of mist there was a lot

807
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:14,740
of smoke that was put around the round

808
00:35:20,610 --> 00:35:18,000
the saucer as well so definitely

809
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:20,620
interesting definitely weird I don't

810
00:35:25,140 --> 00:35:22,770
think there was too much fiscal evidence

811
00:35:27,180 --> 00:35:25,150
gathered again this is one of those

812
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:27,190
cases where through interviewing the

813
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:29,410
witnesses looking at motivations looking

814
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:32,290
at locations looking at consistencies

815
00:35:38,180 --> 00:35:35,200
with with an accounts all the motivating

816
00:35:40,170 --> 00:35:38,190
factors that that you have from

817
00:35:43,170 --> 00:35:40,180
interviewing witnesses

818
00:35:45,390 --> 00:35:43,180
I think this became a solid case just

819
00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:45,400
based upon the testimony now either

820
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:48,670
these these kids got their story you

821
00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:51,970
know just worked out really well or you

822
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:55,030
know they had a shared event and a lot

823
00:35:59,960 --> 00:35:58,450
of noted researchers at the time were

824
00:36:02,370 --> 00:35:59,970
convinced that they had a shared event

825
00:36:04,350 --> 00:36:02,380
what I think is interesting is the

826
00:36:07,590 --> 00:36:04,360
description of you know the beings which

827
00:36:12,570 --> 00:36:07,600
but it is really not found anywhere else

828
00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:12,580
and it it's you know the the fact that

829
00:36:17,730 --> 00:36:14,830
they were kind of you know nondescript

830
00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:17,740
and he really couldn't see features you

831
00:36:22,130 --> 00:36:19,420
know that they were shadowy you know

832
00:36:24,090 --> 00:36:22,140
that sort of makes for interesting the

833
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:24,100
possibility is to consider you know

834
00:36:28,740 --> 00:36:26,290
relative to you know how these creatures

835
00:36:30,780 --> 00:36:28,750
are perceived again you know whether or

836
00:36:34,020 --> 00:36:30,790
not they can change perception wise

837
00:36:36,510 --> 00:36:34,030
through you know the boys themselves you

838
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:36,520
know is it's definitely interesting yeah

839
00:36:41,010 --> 00:36:39,250
yeah very unique and bizarre and I think

840
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:41,020
that's when you know things start to

841
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,640
really get interesting and when that

842
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:45,040
credibility factor kind of gets bumped

843
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:47,410
up a notch when something is so utterly

844
00:36:53,220 --> 00:36:50,410
different from these prototypical things

845
00:36:55,470 --> 00:36:53,230
we hear a lot of these cases involve

846
00:36:58,830 --> 00:36:55,480
very similar things robotic like things

847
00:37:00,750 --> 00:36:58,840
landing in the schoolyard this that this

848
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:00,760
is one of those cases like you know

849
00:37:06,270 --> 00:37:03,610
Hynek said where it was so different and

850
00:37:07,770 --> 00:37:06,280
like you said it was so you know

851
00:37:10,590 --> 00:37:07,780
concrete between these three witnesses

852
00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:10,600
that yeah definitely something strange

853
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:13,110
happened and what these creatures were

854
00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:14,710
unfortunately we will probably never

855
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:16,870
know but interesting nonetheless

856
00:37:23,220 --> 00:37:18,910
but all right my man

857
00:37:26,279 --> 00:37:23,230
here here's one that when I read this

858
00:37:28,319 --> 00:37:26,289
description I just we got to prepare the

859
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:28,329
listeners for this one we've got a

860
00:37:33,809 --> 00:37:31,359
three-eyed alien and a robot so we're

861
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:33,819
back to robots again this is in our our

862
00:37:40,829 --> 00:37:37,599
friends the USSR this was in 1989 so

863
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,839
please you got to tell us everyone get

864
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:42,160
your whiskey you got to tell us about

865
00:37:55,410 --> 00:37:49,950
no I can't do the whole thing with that

866
00:37:58,500 --> 00:37:55,420
accent no this is probably when it

867
00:38:01,230 --> 00:37:58,510
happened it was probably and I remember

868
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:01,240
this very distinctly probably the top

869
00:38:07,230 --> 00:38:03,730
news story of the day it was on all the

870
00:38:09,630 --> 00:38:07,240
newspapers and it was it was a Russian

871
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:09,640
task story and you know we're talking

872
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:12,880
about the old Soviet Union here even

873
00:38:18,510 --> 00:38:15,520
even back then you know government

874
00:38:20,220 --> 00:38:18,520
controlled so whatever was released was

875
00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:20,230
released by the Russian government and

876
00:38:26,309 --> 00:38:23,380
this story was released to the American

877
00:38:30,539 --> 00:38:26,319
press as a big story you know throughout

878
00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:30,549
the world so you know the story from the

879
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:32,700
motherland that took place September

880
00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:37,200
27th 1989 in voter Enosh us tests are

881
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:41,710
small urban you know industrial city in

882
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:46,000
eastern yes I guess it's in Russia you

883
00:38:49,620 --> 00:38:47,680
know there's a lot of Russian states out

884
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:49,630
there who knows where they're at now no

885
00:38:56,460 --> 00:38:53,250
but it was you know industrial Russian

886
00:38:59,220 --> 00:38:56,470
city park you know it's end of the Cold

887
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,230
War era you know so he's the way I

888
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:01,119
pictured everything is kinda drab and

889
00:39:07,799 --> 00:39:04,960
dreary you know like like what yeah like

890
00:39:11,339 --> 00:39:07,809
you like you see you know Russia in the

891
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:11,349
in the 80s you know but they they love

892
00:39:16,289 --> 00:39:13,569
their kids just like everybody else and

893
00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:16,299
you know they had parked and then and

894
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:18,700
they enjoyed spending time outdoors and

895
00:39:22,380 --> 00:39:20,170
the South Park

896
00:39:25,260 --> 00:39:22,390
verónica South Park on this day there

897
00:39:27,690 --> 00:39:25,270
was a number of kids playing and you

898
00:39:30,029 --> 00:39:27,700
know some adults and it's people walking

899
00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:30,039
by in the streets it's a public city

900
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:32,630
park and the kids began to know

901
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:37,250
a red maybe a pinkish red sort of object

902
00:39:43,060 --> 00:39:39,770
like a like a circular you know like a

903
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:43,070
cherry in the sky just sort of coming

904
00:39:47,770 --> 00:39:46,010
down towards the park and you know of

905
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:47,780
course everybody's pointing and looking

906
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:50,000
and their mouths are open and they're

907
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:52,730
saying stuff in Russian the screaming

908
00:39:58,900 --> 00:39:55,130
Russian embouchure and the object comes

909
00:40:00,430 --> 00:39:58,910
down and lands in the park you know near

910
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:00,440
the playground equipment where the kids

911
00:40:05,170 --> 00:40:02,510
are so I guess the kids are the closest

912
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:05,180
you know to this object good-sized

913
00:40:11,170 --> 00:40:08,810
object I guess maybe the size of you

914
00:40:14,260 --> 00:40:11,180
know a semi-truck or you know summer

915
00:40:17,170 --> 00:40:14,270
halfway big enough for you know an 8

916
00:40:20,590 --> 00:40:17,180
foot tall or 10 foot tall robotic

917
00:40:22,450 --> 00:40:20,600
creature to get out of you know or you

918
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:22,460
know some sort of 3rt alien because

919
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:25,280
that's pretty much what happened

920
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:28,370
you'll see of a demon I was tending not

921
00:40:34,990 --> 00:40:30,880
far from the main root of the south part

922
00:40:39,930 --> 00:40:35,000
and I saw this flying object at an

923
00:40:42,730 --> 00:40:39,940
approximate height 200 of 250 meters

924
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:42,740
once a second ah : ah

925
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:45,410
it stated the same height and did not

926
00:40:51,460 --> 00:40:48,290
move horizontally I was very interested

927
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:51,470
by all that because it could not be any

928
00:40:59,350 --> 00:40:56,570
kind of meteorological balloon but there

929
00:41:02,080 --> 00:40:59,360
was a squeaking sound perhaps some

930
00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:02,090
drilling tool was operating like it was

931
00:41:07,090 --> 00:41:03,790
boring a hole in the ground

932
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:07,100
the creature started coming out they did

933
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:09,410
not look too much like humans there were

934
00:41:14,580 --> 00:41:11,930
much taller than chance did you have

935
00:41:18,670 --> 00:41:14,590
shoulders but they didn't see the head

936
00:41:22,270 --> 00:41:18,680
he was human really hew bigger than Rhea

937
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:22,280
he was a mighty figure I remember a

938
00:41:26,740 --> 00:41:23,930
crowd that gathered around the place

939
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:26,750
everybody was scared everybody turned

940
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:29,210
pale I was absolutely flabbergasted I

941
00:41:35,590 --> 00:41:32,330
saw some traces there and also a strange

942
00:41:37,630 --> 00:41:35,600
man outwardly he looked like any other

943
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:37,640
man only he was huge

944
00:41:43,470 --> 00:41:40,970
a moment later he suddenly disappeared

945
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:43,480
was

946
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:46,430
I had no doubt that the UFO and the

947
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:49,370
Giants existed because I saw them but

948
00:41:53,860 --> 00:41:51,770
sometimes when I look back it seems sort

949
00:41:58,690 --> 00:41:53,870
of like a fairy tale and within a few

950
00:42:03,250 --> 00:41:58,700
minutes you know the door opens and 10

951
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:03,260
foot tall three-eyed strange kind of I

952
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:08,480
don't know overall clad metal overalls

953
00:42:15,370 --> 00:42:12,650
sort of a creature that comes out with a

954
00:42:18,730 --> 00:42:15,380
a little small little uh you know square

955
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:18,740
robot next to it and sort of looks

956
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:21,440
around and it sort of gets weird I guess

957
00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:23,330
they look around they go back in their

958
00:42:28,060 --> 00:42:26,030
ship they come out they disappear they

959
00:42:29,860 --> 00:42:28,070
look around you know they're so they're

960
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:29,870
sort of doing this in and out thing with

961
00:42:34,450 --> 00:42:31,970
their flying saucer and you know the

962
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:34,460
kids you know the closest and of course

963
00:42:38,410 --> 00:42:35,930
the more curious and the more

964
00:42:40,270 --> 00:42:38,420
adventurous and also you know the

965
00:42:42,730 --> 00:42:40,280
dumbest you know they're they're gonna

966
00:42:45,850 --> 00:42:42,740
you know approach this object and these

967
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:45,860
these beings and at some point you know

968
00:42:50,770 --> 00:42:48,050
these four kids that are getting closest

969
00:42:53,590 --> 00:42:50,780
to the object one of them gets zapped by

970
00:42:57,220 --> 00:42:53,600
a rod that the big creature the the big

971
00:42:58,780 --> 00:42:57,230
three-eyed ten-foot tall guy is holding

972
00:43:01,000 --> 00:42:58,790
points to that one of the kids is

973
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:01,010
getting too close and he sort of freezes

974
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:04,910
this you know like not frozen like with

975
00:43:08,590 --> 00:43:06,650
icicles hanging off them but you know

976
00:43:12,460 --> 00:43:08,600
like a suspended form of but you know

977
00:43:13,810 --> 00:43:12,470
paralysis and they get back in their

978
00:43:16,750 --> 00:43:13,820
ship and that you know at some point

979
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:16,760
they take off and you know the kid bran

980
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:18,650
chilly comes out of it this whole series

981
00:43:23,590 --> 00:43:20,450
of events I guess is like maybe half

982
00:43:25,810 --> 00:43:23,600
hour 45 minutes certainly it seems like

983
00:43:28,330 --> 00:43:25,820
that you know based upon all the

984
00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:28,340
descriptions you know the sequence of

985
00:43:32,140 --> 00:43:30,710
events but you know it's one of those

986
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,150
things where just like everybody was

987
00:43:35,980 --> 00:43:34,400
like hey there's a UFO down the park you

988
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:35,990
know so the the crowd had actually

989
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:38,450
gotten bigger so they're not just the

990
00:43:41,650 --> 00:43:39,050
kids

991
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:41,660
we're witness to this playground event

992
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:45,050
but upwards of you know maybe 50 people

993
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:47,510
or maybe even into the hundreds you know

994
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:50,240
had begun to move down towards this park

995
00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:51,930
so and then

996
00:43:56,540 --> 00:43:54,060
Media and it was a big deal on Russian

997
00:43:59,930 --> 00:43:56,550
press and then American private so who

998
00:44:03,620 --> 00:43:59,940
knows man they always gotta try to outdo

999
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:03,630
us don't they yeah you know and the

1000
00:44:09,260 --> 00:44:06,240
Russians you know they they did their

1001
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:09,270
investigation and their military police

1002
00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:12,570
and all that interesting though the

1003
00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:13,740
Russians were actually a little more

1004
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,680
open to this sort of thing back then hmm

1005
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:18,720
you know so when they talked to like an

1006
00:44:22,220 --> 00:44:20,250
investigator you know some sort of

1007
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:22,230
general that was investigating the you

1008
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:24,090
know the general would say stuff like it

1009
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:30,470
totally okay with saying that because

1010
00:44:35,570 --> 00:44:33,450
you know it's their news service so they

1011
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:35,580
can say whatever they want right yeah if

1012
00:44:42,590 --> 00:44:37,170
we've learned anything from our T news

1013
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:42,600
that's going to help all right man so on

1014
00:44:48,110 --> 00:44:45,450
a more serious note we are going to move

1015
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:48,120
to our final case probably the most

1016
00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:51,180
famous case to date many documentaries

1017
00:44:54,140 --> 00:44:52,710
have covered it there's gonna be some

1018
00:44:56,300 --> 00:44:54,150
more coming out even the Harvard

1019
00:44:59,720 --> 00:44:56,310
psychiatrist John Mack was involved with

1020
00:45:01,640 --> 00:44:59,730
this one so please to sort of cap all of

1021
00:45:03,860 --> 00:45:01,650
these cases off for us can you run us

1022
00:45:07,930 --> 00:45:03,870
through the deeply dramatic rule of

1023
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:07,940
Zimbabwe case of 1994 absolutely and

1024
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:12,450
yeah this is probably one of the high

1025
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:16,290
caliber cases in this you know subset of

1026
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:19,890
UFO investigation and history mostly

1027
00:45:24,590 --> 00:45:22,200
because of the the quality of the

1028
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:24,600
investigation and the quality of the

1029
00:45:31,010 --> 00:45:27,330
quality of the investigator involved in

1030
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:31,020
us and you know if if dr. John Mack who

1031
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:32,970
was head of the psychological department

1032
00:45:36,310 --> 00:45:34,410
I believe at Harvard that at the time

1033
00:45:39,470 --> 00:45:36,320
and taught at Cambridge University

1034
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:39,480
really high caliber you know learning

1035
00:45:45,350 --> 00:45:42,900
man within legitimate psychiatry and

1036
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:45,360
psychology began to take an interest in

1037
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:49,650
in UFOs not so much you know with with

1038
00:45:54,830 --> 00:45:52,650
an idea of investigating the phenomena

1039
00:45:56,990 --> 00:45:54,840
but investigating people that claimed

1040
00:45:59,720 --> 00:45:57,000
interaction with the phenomena because

1041
00:46:02,330 --> 00:45:59,730
as a psychologist and a psychiatrist he

1042
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:02,340
was interested in you know what they

1043
00:46:08,269 --> 00:46:03,900
perceived

1044
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:08,279
what they thought what you know it if

1045
00:46:12,380 --> 00:46:09,599
there was certain psychological

1046
00:46:16,460 --> 00:46:12,390
components that he can explore you know

1047
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:16,470
can he deem through examination and

1048
00:46:21,950 --> 00:46:19,170
psychoanalysis you know if there was

1049
00:46:24,019 --> 00:46:21,960
some sort of you know reality to the

1050
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,029
circumstances involving you know

1051
00:46:29,420 --> 00:46:26,880
encounters with especially beings and he

1052
00:46:31,210 --> 00:46:29,430
would use hypnotic regression and some

1053
00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:31,220
of the class of methods to explore that

1054
00:46:38,329 --> 00:46:34,200
so he was interested in the subject at

1055
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:38,339
the mainstream psychologists and as

1056
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:40,650
somebody interested in as I had said the

1057
00:46:46,819 --> 00:46:43,680
psychological aspects of of encounters

1058
00:46:49,130 --> 00:46:46,829
and so he was already on the radar he

1059
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:49,140
was already out there he had written

1060
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:51,210
some papers and you know was under

1061
00:46:56,329 --> 00:46:53,910
scrutiny by Harvard you know relative to

1062
00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:56,339
big University a legitimate university

1063
00:46:59,720 --> 00:46:58,260
should be involved in investigating you

1064
00:47:01,609 --> 00:46:59,730
know such things and and he was

1065
00:47:04,339 --> 00:47:01,619
ultimately giving a given academic

1066
00:47:07,269 --> 00:47:04,349
freedom to explore these issues and as a

1067
00:47:10,099 --> 00:47:07,279
result you know he began to get cases

1068
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:10,109
thrown to him and he was coincidentally

1069
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:14,250
in Zuba Zimbabwe near there back in 1994

1070
00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:17,760
and he was told of this case at the

1071
00:47:23,660 --> 00:47:21,089
aerial school in Rua Zimbabwe just

1072
00:47:26,089 --> 00:47:23,670
outside of Harare and he made it down

1073
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:26,099
there I think within you know maybe a

1074
00:47:31,579 --> 00:47:29,250
week or two the initial encounters and

1075
00:47:33,769 --> 00:47:31,589
he was able to interview and and

1076
00:47:35,029 --> 00:47:33,779
investigate more so than anybody I've

1077
00:47:38,569 --> 00:47:35,039
heard of you know a case you know

1078
00:47:41,140 --> 00:47:38,579
relatively quickly be at on location

1079
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:41,150
you know after after it happened he

1080
00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:43,770
described these experiences or these

1081
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:47,220
events like a person talks about

1082
00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:49,490
something that has happened to them and

1083
00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:52,020
when you're talking with a psychotic

1084
00:47:55,730 --> 00:47:53,640
who's telling you something that it's a

1085
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:55,740
delusion and you feel that it really

1086
00:48:00,680 --> 00:47:58,170
didn't happen I can tell I mean I know

1087
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:00,690
this is something that person wants me

1088
00:48:04,849 --> 00:48:02,690
to believe or they're frightened do they

1089
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:04,859
distorting reality in some way there's

1090
00:48:10,370 --> 00:48:06,569
nothing like that here these are people

1091
00:48:13,579 --> 00:48:10,380
of sound mind by and large telling me

1092
00:48:14,890 --> 00:48:13,589
something that's very they know that I

1093
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:14,900
might

1094
00:48:18,820 --> 00:48:16,730
think they're crazy and so they're a

1095
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:18,830
little concerned about telling me and

1096
00:48:23,650 --> 00:48:20,930
and they they're very full of

1097
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:23,660
questioning themselves and doubt and I

1098
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:25,610
mean their way and then they described

1099
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:27,650
something very real and intense the

1100
00:48:33,010 --> 00:48:29,450
light or somebody happened to their body

1101
00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:33,020
or it's the whole quality of the way

1102
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:34,310
they talk about it is the way a person

1103
00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:38,210
talks about experiences that happened to

1104
00:48:45,850 --> 00:48:41,470
them what happened on September 16 1994

1105
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:45,860
there were 60 kids at this Arial school

1106
00:48:53,110 --> 00:48:50,480
and Zimbabwe has you know had its head

1107
00:48:55,540 --> 00:48:53,120
its periods of colonialism you know so

1108
00:48:58,030 --> 00:48:55,550
there were different ethnic makeups

1109
00:48:59,920 --> 00:48:58,040
within this school different backgrounds

1110
00:49:02,470 --> 00:48:59,930
you know white children and Indian

1111
00:49:05,260 --> 00:49:02,480
children and African native children all

1112
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:05,270
attend this school it was very you know

1113
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:07,730
popular and order organized and ordered

1114
00:49:14,110 --> 00:49:10,880
school and 60 of these kids this day

1115
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:14,120
were on the playground and similar to

1116
00:49:17,830 --> 00:49:15,770
you know the other accounts they

1117
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:17,840
wouldn't list you know an object you

1118
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:19,370
know like a cigar-shaped or flying

1119
00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:22,400
saucer shaped object land in the fields

1120
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:24,430
just beyond the school grounds and

1121
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:26,690
similar to you know some of these other

1122
00:49:33,370 --> 00:49:29,210
stories they they see a couple of men

1123
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:33,380
and you know with the big black alien

1124
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:36,110
bug eyes you know started going in out

1125
00:49:41,590 --> 00:49:38,930
of this flying saucer and and that's

1126
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:41,600
what dr. a dr. Mac had gone down here to

1127
00:49:45,820 --> 00:49:44,690
investigate and these these kids you

1128
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:45,830
know when he invested when he

1129
00:49:50,170 --> 00:49:48,410
interviewed them and they told Adama

1130
00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:50,180
will be the same story but they just

1131
00:49:55,150 --> 00:49:53,000
said you know they had little many sort

1132
00:49:56,770 --> 00:49:55,160
of cultural changes you know cultural

1133
00:49:59,830 --> 00:49:56,780
descriptions that were a little

1134
00:50:02,590 --> 00:49:59,840
different you know relative to you know

1135
00:50:08,620 --> 00:50:02,600
to the creatures appearance or even the

1136
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:08,630
appearance of the crack what scared you

1137
00:50:13,150 --> 00:50:09,770
good boys

1138
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:13,160
what noise the noise that we heard of

1139
00:50:18,140 --> 00:50:15,530
the ear you've heard the noise in the

1140
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,150
air what was it like like a roar

1141
00:50:23,049 --> 00:50:20,160
buzz or a home or what kind of the noise

1142
00:50:26,809 --> 00:50:23,059
was like someone was playing the flute

1143
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:26,819
it was scary myself it was scary because

1144
00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:33,930
you saw something yourself I saw little

1145
00:50:36,859 --> 00:50:36,329
objects hovering it was quite big

1146
00:50:39,049 --> 00:50:36,869
actually

1147
00:50:41,809 --> 00:50:39,059
and then there was little ones around it

1148
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:41,819
we saw something silver and then would

1149
00:50:49,370 --> 00:50:44,970
quickly rental out to the logs and we

1150
00:50:52,279 --> 00:50:49,380
saw a silver silver thing and we saw a

1151
00:50:54,319 --> 00:50:52,289
man standing list it was a little feel

1152
00:50:57,650 --> 00:50:54,329
like when he was looking at you I felt

1153
00:50:58,779 --> 00:50:57,660
scared ups it felt scared what was scary

1154
00:51:02,480 --> 00:50:58,789
about it

1155
00:51:06,769 --> 00:51:02,490
well that scared because I've never seen

1156
00:51:09,499 --> 00:51:06,779
such a person not that before was he

1157
00:51:16,370 --> 00:51:09,509
knew the silver object or was he fought

1158
00:51:19,130 --> 00:51:16,380
on top of the silver object okay and did

1159
00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:19,140
you look at him did he look at you he

1160
00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:22,710
gave me the creeps actually your drawing

1161
00:51:26,329 --> 00:51:24,660
you shot him standing up didn't you you

1162
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:26,339
said if I'm standing up was up in drunk

1163
00:51:33,470 --> 00:51:31,650
City what I thought was maybe the rule

1164
00:51:36,319 --> 00:51:33,480
is gonna end maybe they're telling us

1165
00:51:40,210 --> 00:51:36,329
the rules gonna end that's sort of an

1166
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:40,220
interesting aspect it's I think

1167
00:51:44,930 --> 00:51:42,210
everybody involved

1168
00:51:46,759 --> 00:51:44,940
you know the main investigator is an dr.

1169
00:51:50,089 --> 00:51:46,769
Matt Mack you know believe that there

1170
00:51:52,489 --> 00:51:50,099
was some sort of encounter and again you

1171
00:51:54,229 --> 00:51:52,499
know you you start getting into the you

1172
00:51:56,299 --> 00:51:54,239
know when you investigate it especially

1173
00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:56,309
with children you start you start to see

1174
00:52:01,640 --> 00:51:59,400
these perceptual aspects that are that

1175
00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:01,650
are kind of interesting and and for dr.

1176
00:52:06,259 --> 00:52:04,440
Matt was part of his investigation you

1177
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,269
know some of those you know for instance

1178
00:52:10,910 --> 00:52:08,400
like the the African children who

1179
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:10,920
witnessed that sort of perceived like

1180
00:52:17,539 --> 00:52:13,890
hair you know and they identified it as

1181
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:17,549
like a classic creature deal from their

1182
00:52:22,370 --> 00:52:20,249
culture called a togolese she you know

1183
00:52:25,339 --> 00:52:22,380
which is like some sort of like spirit

1184
00:52:27,049 --> 00:52:25,349
or some sort of being so you know

1185
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:27,059
there's there's interesting stuff there

1186
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:30,450
to explore I know means an aerial expert

1187
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:31,410
there are a lot of

1188
00:52:35,539 --> 00:52:33,210
people out there that know a lot more

1189
00:52:37,099 --> 00:52:35,549
there there are in our documentaries

1190
00:52:40,210 --> 00:52:37,109
coming down the road I think aerial

1191
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:40,220
phenomena is one that is going to be

1192
00:52:45,859 --> 00:52:43,170
coming out I think our friend James Fox

1193
00:52:50,059 --> 00:52:45,869
has been doing some aerial stuff as well

1194
00:52:51,970 --> 00:52:50,069
for for his projects oh yeah and some of

1195
00:52:55,339 --> 00:52:51,980
the some of the children witnesses

1196
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:55,349
they're growing up now so they've taken

1197
00:53:00,589 --> 00:52:58,559
to speaking about their encounters Emily

1198
00:53:04,700 --> 00:53:00,599
trim is one she's out there she speaks

1199
00:53:07,609 --> 00:53:04,710
about the encounter that she that she

1200
00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:07,619
was about with that day and you know

1201
00:53:12,289 --> 00:53:10,200
some of the some of the kids claimed in

1202
00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:12,299
my further encounters or at least you

1203
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:15,510
know messages you know we're we started

1204
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,089
to have that contact II expect of you

1205
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:20,400
know receiving messages by by some of

1206
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:23,730
the the witnesses you know utopian type

1207
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:26,880
stuff which is fascinating yeah

1208
00:53:31,099 --> 00:53:28,079
absolutely

1209
00:53:32,569 --> 00:53:31,109
it's a great case and like you said the

1210
00:53:34,849 --> 00:53:32,579
witnesses are still willing to talk

1211
00:53:36,769 --> 00:53:34,859
about what happened to them and it's

1212
00:53:40,099 --> 00:53:36,779
clear that they're still affected by

1213
00:53:41,299 --> 00:53:40,109
this and they stick by their stories so

1214
00:53:43,279 --> 00:53:41,309
that's what I find most interesting

1215
00:53:45,470 --> 00:53:43,289
about this one it's the most current one

1216
00:53:47,029 --> 00:53:45,480
we have to date and it's also the one

1217
00:53:49,549 --> 00:53:47,039
where we still have these witnesses

1218
00:53:51,730 --> 00:53:49,559
around to tell this story so this case

1219
00:53:53,569 --> 00:53:51,740
is not going to die these documentaries

1220
00:53:55,940 --> 00:53:53,579
documentaries are only going to shine

1221
00:53:59,329 --> 00:53:55,950
more light on it so I'm excited to see

1222
00:54:00,980 --> 00:53:59,339
where that goes like this these cases

1223
00:54:03,049 --> 00:54:00,990
it's astounding how many there are and

1224
00:54:06,109 --> 00:54:03,059
like you said right before we started

1225
00:54:08,420 --> 00:54:06,119
there's hundreds of more but with all of

1226
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:08,430
these all of these cases that involve

1227
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:11,010
children I want to hear from you man in

1228
00:54:15,769 --> 00:54:14,250
your opinion do you think whatever is

1229
00:54:18,019 --> 00:54:15,779
happening to these kids do you think

1230
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:18,029
it's intentional by these possible

1231
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,920
intelligences are they actually

1232
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:22,559
targeting these children to appear to or

1233
00:54:26,809 --> 00:54:25,170
is this all complete happenstance is it

1234
00:54:29,299 --> 00:54:26,819
different for every case where do you

1235
00:54:31,309 --> 00:54:29,309
sort of land in terms of why so many

1236
00:54:33,529 --> 00:54:31,319
child UFO encounters happen

1237
00:54:36,289 --> 00:54:33,539
well ultimately I would say I think it's

1238
00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:36,299
you know it's different each case you

1239
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:39,270
know I do think that these cases have to

1240
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:41,970
kind of you know be viewed independently

1241
00:54:45,310 --> 00:54:44,010
of each other but you know that the

1242
00:54:48,310 --> 00:54:45,320
comparisons are

1243
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:48,320
or really sir Peggy you know you can't

1244
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:51,290
get around that I don't know what what

1245
00:54:55,450 --> 00:54:53,210
kids are seeing or they are they more

1246
00:54:58,750 --> 00:54:55,460
open to that sort of thing I would think

1247
00:55:01,240 --> 00:54:58,760
that it's probably the personality you

1248
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:01,250
know of whoever is perceiving I guess

1249
00:55:08,550 --> 00:55:03,890
whatever whatever is being perceived

1250
00:55:11,140 --> 00:55:08,560
that sort of a long way around of saying

1251
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,150
you know maybe it maybe it depends on

1252
00:55:16,690 --> 00:55:13,520
the person and maybe it does depend on

1253
00:55:19,390 --> 00:55:16,700
the fact that these are children and you

1254
00:55:21,970 --> 00:55:19,400
know perception not does play as part

1255
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:21,980
into it I can tell you myself though and

1256
00:55:27,460 --> 00:55:24,290
I think you're right along there with me

1257
00:55:32,110 --> 00:55:27,470
that as a person who saw an object as a

1258
00:55:35,740 --> 00:55:32,120
kid it definitely influenced me it got

1259
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:35,750
me it got me further interested in into

1260
00:55:40,060 --> 00:55:38,090
the subject you know I don't know if a

1261
00:55:43,570 --> 00:55:40,070
lot of these these people who saw these

1262
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:43,580
and ended up going on to you know not

1263
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:45,530
too many of them that that I've heard of

1264
00:55:51,340 --> 00:55:47,690
have gone on to you know spread the UFO

1265
00:55:53,530 --> 00:55:51,350
message or or whatnot but you know at

1266
00:55:56,110 --> 00:55:53,540
least for a time they were vocal in in

1267
00:55:57,550 --> 00:55:56,120
the reality of what they saw I don't

1268
00:55:58,990 --> 00:55:57,560
know I think you know in some of these

1269
00:56:01,720 --> 00:55:59,000
cases maybe there's some sort of

1270
00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:01,730
misidentification mass hysteria is

1271
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:03,710
always a possibility houses are a

1272
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:06,880
possibility and some in some instances

1273
00:56:15,340 --> 00:56:11,450
but they all of these cases I think

1274
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:15,350
stand out in that you know when you

1275
00:56:20,590 --> 00:56:17,330
start getting into hundreds of witnesses

1276
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,600
and you start moving out of you know the

1277
00:56:24,490 --> 00:56:22,400
child demographic and you're starting to

1278
00:56:27,070 --> 00:56:24,500
get adult and other people seeing the

1279
00:56:28,780 --> 00:56:27,080
same thing then something is being seen

1280
00:56:31,810 --> 00:56:28,790
then you know something is being

1281
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:31,820
experienced you know perceptions as to

1282
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:34,400
you know beings and all that I I find

1283
00:56:42,130 --> 00:56:38,690
very intriguing very interesting what's

1284
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:42,140
going on I don't know yeah that's what

1285
00:56:47,290 --> 00:56:44,240
makes it so it makes these you know

1286
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:47,300
especially interesting and you know I'd

1287
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:49,010
love to track some of some more of these

1288
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:50,720
witnesses down to some of these cases to

1289
00:56:56,260 --> 00:56:53,570
see how it's affected them long-term or

1290
00:56:59,020 --> 00:56:56,270
if or if they've changed their mind I

1291
00:57:01,690 --> 00:56:59,030
think from those that have come forward

1292
00:57:04,450 --> 00:57:01,700
even to this day they stand by ya

1293
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:04,460
themselves as children you know this is

1294
00:57:07,810 --> 00:57:05,810
what I saw when I was a kid

1295
00:57:09,820 --> 00:57:07,820
yep and you can't ask for more than that

1296
00:57:12,430 --> 00:57:09,830
from a witness you know they they have

1297
00:57:15,610 --> 00:57:12,440
defied that sort of stigma that comes

1298
00:57:18,010 --> 00:57:15,620
with reporting a UFO they were kids you

1299
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:18,020
know there wasn't that this this idea

1300
00:57:23,110 --> 00:57:19,910
that I'm gonna lose my job if I talk

1301
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,120
about this or you know the Johnsons next

1302
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:25,280
door are gonna talk about us it's it's

1303
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:27,890
you know it's they're open they're

1304
00:57:33,310 --> 00:57:31,040
honest and like you said they're willing

1305
00:57:34,930 --> 00:57:33,320
to be more honest than I think an adult

1306
00:57:38,650 --> 00:57:34,940
would be in terms of coming forward with

1307
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:38,660
things like this in terms of that I have

1308
00:57:43,950 --> 00:57:40,850
a question for you and in terms of like

1309
00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:43,960
UFO organizations that investigate cases

1310
00:57:49,180 --> 00:57:46,910
do you think in terms of these cases

1311
00:57:51,340 --> 00:57:49,190
that there should be some sort of

1312
00:57:54,340 --> 00:57:51,350
organization that strict's strictly

1313
00:57:56,890 --> 00:57:54,350
deals with kids that's a good question I

1314
00:57:59,220 --> 00:57:56,900
think it's always advantageous to you

1315
00:58:02,110 --> 00:57:59,230
know have people you know interested in

1316
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:02,120
specialized aspects of you know this

1317
00:58:08,650 --> 00:58:05,930
subject and its history as far as an

1318
00:58:12,010 --> 00:58:08,660
organization I think I think there's a

1319
00:58:14,380 --> 00:58:12,020
pretty good Westall group on Facebook

1320
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:14,390
where a lot of these cases are discussed

1321
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:17,680
it's a chain running the West Hall

1322
00:58:22,510 --> 00:58:19,850
investigator down there and he's done

1323
00:58:25,870 --> 00:58:22,520
some other investigations and - into

1324
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:25,880
similar school type events I think his

1325
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:28,640
group would probably be a good one to to

1326
00:58:34,780 --> 00:58:31,370
sort of interconnect with but different

1327
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:34,790
people you know what makes these

1328
00:58:40,540 --> 00:58:37,970
interesting and a little more

1329
00:58:42,850 --> 00:58:40,550
problematic gistic Lee for having a

1330
00:58:46,660 --> 00:58:42,860
group as you know these cases are all

1331
00:58:48,550 --> 00:58:46,670
over the world you know so if if we're

1332
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:48,560
gonna interact you know relative to

1333
00:58:52,210 --> 00:58:50,210
these cases you know it's probably gonna

1334
00:58:54,820 --> 00:58:52,220
have to be his cyber organization like

1335
00:58:57,690 --> 00:58:54,830
the West Hall group but definitely I

1336
00:59:00,490 --> 00:58:57,700
think that it's a good area of focus and

1337
00:59:03,130 --> 00:59:00,500
yeah and and there's other accounts out

1338
00:59:06,220 --> 00:59:03,140
there yeah we we just hit the iceberg

1339
00:59:09,250 --> 00:59:06,230
you know that the famous delphos case

1340
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:09,260
was a child case the cash Landrum cash

1341
00:59:13,660 --> 00:59:10,400
Landrum was

1342
00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:13,670
case you know there's a lot of a lot of

1343
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:16,910
our famous cases involve children and

1344
00:59:21,610 --> 00:59:19,010
it's it would be good for somebody to

1345
00:59:23,530 --> 00:59:21,620
look into that I think we got a lot of

1346
00:59:26,380 --> 00:59:23,540
good searchers like Shane out there

1347
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:26,390
doing that for us so yeah he is doing

1348
00:59:29,620 --> 00:59:28,130
some great work and again the West our

1349
00:59:31,330 --> 00:59:29,630
case is definitely one people should

1350
00:59:33,940 --> 00:59:31,340
look into well speaking of children

1351
00:59:36,220 --> 00:59:33,950
Michael many of my listeners they know

1352
00:59:39,130 --> 00:59:36,230
this but some may not you are the host

1353
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:39,140
of this strange travels blog and don't

1354
00:59:42,670 --> 00:59:40,370
think you weren't gonna get away without

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00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:42,680
talking about this man this is where you

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00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:44,810
chronicle your adventures across the US

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00:59:49,930 --> 00:59:46,910
and with your children and your wife

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00:59:54,220 --> 00:59:49,940
which again I envy tremendously and

1359
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:54,230
you've gone to some amazing places this

1360
00:59:58,660 --> 00:59:56,480
past year tell me to brief me have you

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01:00:00,280 --> 00:59:58,670
personally been to any places that you

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01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:00,290
really want to talk about anything

1363
01:00:05,740 --> 01:00:03,290
strange happen or really come to stick

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01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:05,750
out man

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01:00:11,830 --> 01:00:08,210
yeah we're we're doing the same thing

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01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:11,840
that we've but we've been doing I call

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01:00:17,650 --> 01:00:13,970
myself a paranormal travel writer but

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01:00:20,110 --> 01:00:17,660
that's that's not really my job I'm just

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01:00:23,530 --> 01:00:20,120
a regular you know just UFO junkie here

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01:00:26,380 --> 01:00:23,540
in Missouri but I do take my wife and

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01:00:28,780 --> 01:00:26,390
kids to interesting spots and we'll

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01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:28,790
visit the occasional famous UFO place

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01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:32,000
and I like to take pictures and document

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01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:34,490
and share the big thang probably this

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01:00:41,230 --> 01:00:38,240
past year we went to Kelly Kentucky at

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01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:41,240
home of the the the Kelly

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01:00:47,140 --> 01:00:44,690
Hopkinsville encounter of 1955 you know

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01:00:49,620 --> 01:00:47,150
her house was besieged by goblins that's

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01:00:52,860 --> 01:00:49,630
sure everybody's familiar with it but

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01:00:56,530 --> 01:00:52,870
yeah I went there for the the Eclipse

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01:01:00,040 --> 01:00:56,540
and it just so it happens on the day the

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01:01:01,810 --> 01:01:00,050
anniversary a day of the the Eclipse was

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01:01:05,940 --> 01:01:01,820
also the anniversary of the encounter

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01:01:09,310 --> 01:01:05,950
Wow okay so and it was also the highest

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01:01:12,970 --> 01:01:09,320
longest duration of point for the

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Eclipse is the epicenter of the Eclipse

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01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:16,550
at this famous UFO spot so we had fun we

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01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:19,130
had fun there and I got to look I got to

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01:01:23,740 --> 01:01:21,920
go on to the the grounds of the property

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01:01:26,740 --> 01:01:23,750
II and then the stand where the

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01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:26,750
goblins were and look at the trees that

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01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:29,090
they left up into and even saw the

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01:01:34,780 --> 01:01:32,240
flying saucer that are the saw circular

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01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:34,790
patch that they're saucer supposedly

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01:01:40,270 --> 01:01:39,110
landed in in 1955 that was that was sort

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01:01:42,190 --> 01:01:40,280
of that that was one of the big

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01:01:44,110 --> 01:01:42,200
highlights but that's the sort of thing

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01:01:46,780 --> 01:01:44,120
that we do yet you know they have a UFO

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01:01:48,970 --> 01:01:46,790
festival and all that but yeah we like

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01:01:51,730 --> 01:01:48,980
to do a lot of the the pair tourism and

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01:01:53,830 --> 01:01:51,740
the UFO tourism and you know we we go to

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01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:53,840
haunted houses in be full of places and

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01:01:58,840 --> 01:01:56,330
we're still doing that and we're still

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01:02:01,870 --> 01:01:58,850
talking about it and that Thank You Ryan

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01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:01,880
I know you've been liking a lot of my

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01:02:05,530 --> 01:02:04,010
stuff and complimenting me you've been a

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01:02:08,170 --> 01:02:05,540
big supporter and I do appreciate that

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01:02:11,290 --> 01:02:08,180
oh I love it man it's more jealousy than

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01:02:13,420 --> 01:02:11,300
anything but no I have a great respect

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01:02:15,030 --> 01:02:13,430
for what you do and that you introduce

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01:02:17,260 --> 01:02:15,040
this to your children I think that's

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01:02:19,390 --> 01:02:17,270
important you're not telling them what I

1413
01:02:21,310 --> 01:02:19,400
think you're not telling them what all

1414
01:02:24,310 --> 01:02:21,320
of this is you're introducing them to a

1415
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:24,320
topic that many parents would be shy

1416
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:26,690
away from with their children and you

1417
01:02:31,810 --> 01:02:29,570
know we grew up having experiences and

1418
01:02:33,940 --> 01:02:31,820
that's what led us to do this so I I do

1419
01:02:36,490 --> 01:02:33,950
I know I've asked you this on into the

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01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:36,500
fray but I want to ask you again how do

1421
01:02:41,410 --> 01:02:38,330
you deal with this with your kids what

1422
01:02:44,350 --> 01:02:41,420
what do they what do they take away from

1423
01:02:47,410 --> 01:02:44,360
seeing the indentation or a possible UFO

1424
01:02:49,030 --> 01:02:47,420
landed and goblins came out what does it

1425
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:49,040
kid make of this that would blow my

1426
01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:50,000
frickin mind

1427
01:02:55,540 --> 01:02:53,780
well well first off yeah I'm jealous of

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01:02:57,610 --> 01:02:55,550
my kids because I'm you know when I was

1429
01:03:02,740 --> 01:02:57,620
a kid reading about this stuff I wanted

1430
01:03:06,310 --> 01:03:02,750
to go there immediately you know you

1431
01:03:07,630 --> 01:03:06,320
know so my kids are kind of lucky in

1432
01:03:11,770 --> 01:03:07,640
that you know they get to go to a lot of

1433
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:11,780
interesting you know places and when

1434
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:13,250
they're there they know what they're

1435
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:14,930
there for they know that you know

1436
01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:17,410
supposedly a alien was seen over there

1437
01:03:21,130 --> 01:03:19,910
you know a Bigfoot listening you know

1438
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:21,140
right where you're staying and whatever

1439
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:23,330
and they think it's fun and I think it's

1440
01:03:29,650 --> 01:03:27,410
interesting the third luckily they're

1441
01:03:32,260 --> 01:03:29,660
into all this to you know they ask a lot

1442
01:03:35,620 --> 01:03:32,270
of questions I don't push

1443
01:03:37,180 --> 01:03:35,630
you know hypotheses in fact I encourage

1444
01:03:39,730 --> 01:03:37,190
my kids to

1445
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:39,740
with different ideas and that's always

1446
01:03:42,490 --> 01:03:40,490
fun

1447
01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:42,500
you know when we're going through the

1448
01:03:47,890 --> 01:03:45,710
TNT area looking for the Mothman and you

1449
01:03:52,059 --> 01:03:47,900
know my boys will get into a competition

1450
01:03:55,059 --> 01:03:52,069
of of theories as to what they think it

1451
01:03:57,130 --> 01:03:55,069
really is you know but there's there's

1452
01:03:59,920 --> 01:03:57,140
always that little bit of mystery that

1453
01:04:01,779 --> 01:03:59,930
little kids maintain that always gives

1454
01:04:05,230 --> 01:04:01,789
them a little bit of fright and a little

1455
01:04:08,589 --> 01:04:05,240
bit of you know intrigue and a little

1456
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:08,599
bit of mystery you know within them they

1457
01:04:13,359 --> 01:04:11,599
that keeps them engaged and my kids

1458
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:13,369
luckily they love monsters and aliens

1459
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:15,680
and all that and they love going along

1460
01:04:22,900 --> 01:04:21,049
with me and exploring as well well what

1461
01:04:24,970 --> 01:04:22,910
can we expect next where you where are

1462
01:04:27,069 --> 01:04:24,980
you guys head in this year the years

1463
01:04:30,430 --> 01:04:27,079
almost wrapped up what's coming next for

1464
01:04:31,900 --> 01:04:30,440
you guys well we're probably good a tool

1465
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:31,910
around here in this area does it a

1466
01:04:36,730 --> 01:04:34,400
couple of you know local urban legends

1467
01:04:41,980 --> 01:04:36,740
you know there's a couple of spooky

1468
01:04:43,420 --> 01:04:41,990
haunted places and alien landing site

1469
01:04:46,839 --> 01:04:43,430
that I need to check out before the end

1470
01:04:49,210 --> 01:04:46,849
of the year but next year I think we're

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01:04:51,220 --> 01:04:49,220
gonna I think we're gonna go up to

1472
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:51,230
Hannibal Missouri visit Mark Twain's

1473
01:04:55,529 --> 01:04:53,690
town and have some fun up there I think

1474
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:55,539
that's probably one of our big trips

1475
01:04:59,799 --> 01:04:57,650
that we're looking to do we're gonna go

1476
01:05:01,960 --> 01:04:59,809
up there and maybe you have my kids

1477
01:05:05,620 --> 01:05:01,970
paint defense you know and I'm sorry

1478
01:05:08,019 --> 01:05:05,630
your book fan competition I think that

1479
01:05:10,420 --> 01:05:08,029
might be unmarked yeah that's great man

1480
01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:10,430
it's not all UFOs and ghosts and goblins

1481
01:05:15,700 --> 01:05:12,799
together teachers some literature to

1482
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:15,710
write well but you know Ryan there's a

1483
01:05:23,289 --> 01:05:18,559
lot of it also right near there's the

1484
01:05:27,220 --> 01:05:23,299
first memo saying okay and you had the

1485
01:05:31,710 --> 01:05:27,230
famous you know famous UFO landing spot

1486
01:05:34,269 --> 01:05:31,720
so yeah I'm still gonna take it because

1487
01:05:36,010 --> 01:05:34,279
yeah and of course there's haunted

1488
01:05:37,630 --> 01:05:36,020
places in Hannibal I'm sure so yeah

1489
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:37,640
we're we're gonna do the weird stuff

1490
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:40,400
while we do our normal family stuff you

1491
01:05:46,359 --> 01:05:43,599
know okay good I'm glad to hear that

1492
01:05:48,310 --> 01:05:46,369
where where can we find out more about

1493
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:48,320
what you're doing well

1494
01:05:54,460 --> 01:05:51,410
I am all over social media you can find

1495
01:05:56,170 --> 01:05:54,470
me on Facebook Instagram Twitter you

1496
01:05:58,570 --> 01:05:56,180
know although all that good stuff I'm

1497
01:06:01,150 --> 01:05:58,580
usually on Facebook quite a bit and if

1498
01:06:03,250 --> 01:06:01,160
I'm posting something somewhere or

1499
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:03,260
talking on the radio somewhere I usually

1500
01:06:09,460 --> 01:06:05,810
put a link up there so just look me up

1501
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:09,470
there and you can you can file what what

1502
01:06:15,940 --> 01:06:11,810
we're dealing I do have my wordpress

1503
01:06:18,550 --> 01:06:15,950
blog just keep an at it that's still

1504
01:06:20,980 --> 01:06:18,560
working out in the book hopefully well

1505
01:06:22,690 --> 01:06:20,990
we're actually expanding that and we're

1506
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:22,700
gonna do some art projects connected

1507
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:25,730
with it but uh you know when it's done

1508
01:06:31,660 --> 01:06:28,010
it's done you know we'll see how it goes

1509
01:06:33,250 --> 01:06:31,670
but you know it's a lot of stuff out

1510
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:33,260
there a lot of stuff you want to do and

1511
01:06:39,130 --> 01:06:36,410
then and we're keeping at it but always

1512
01:06:40,900 --> 01:06:39,140
interested in making more friends and if

1513
01:06:43,390 --> 01:06:40,910
anybody's got a cool place they want to

1514
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:43,400
tell me about or a cool story I'm always

1515
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:46,370
good to hit up for a chat awesome that's

1516
01:06:50,140 --> 01:06:48,410
so great to hear man well this this has

1517
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:50,150
been an absolutely fascinating crash

1518
01:06:54,700 --> 01:06:52,250
course in a subtopic of UFO sightings

1519
01:06:56,980 --> 01:06:54,710
that doesn't get talked about often and

1520
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:56,990
I'm so glad that this is what we landed

1521
01:07:01,060 --> 01:06:58,160
on I know

1522
01:07:02,830 --> 01:07:01,070
I've wanted you on since I started the

1523
01:07:05,170 --> 01:07:02,840
podcast and we couldn't really like nail

1524
01:07:06,850 --> 01:07:05,180
down a topic but I think this was a good

1525
01:07:09,070 --> 01:07:06,860
one we haven't talked about it before

1526
01:07:11,470 --> 01:07:09,080
there's clearly a lot of questions to

1527
01:07:13,690 --> 01:07:11,480
still be asked about why all of these

1528
01:07:15,010 --> 01:07:13,700
trialed UFO encounters happen and i

1529
01:07:17,230 --> 01:07:15,020
couldn't think of a better person to do

1530
01:07:19,300 --> 01:07:17,240
that today so thank you again for coming

1531
01:07:22,060 --> 01:07:19,310
on somewhere in the skies thank you Ron

1532
01:07:24,130 --> 01:07:22,070
and it is a pleasure and you're doing a

1533
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:24,140
great job at the show keep it that is it

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01:07:27,730 --> 01:07:26,090
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